},false) Only four hours after the incident occurred, both Mamamoo and their company RBW wrote out an apology in both Korean and English and posted it online. eventAction: 'render' You need to Register or Login to view the content One tweet under the #AskHwasa hashtag read, "Where did you get ur African auntie outfit from?? . I didnt put in a lack of effort because its Super Junior though, if I had been making a BigBang masterpost instead, that would have been the one with little effort put into it. }); eventAction: 'click_adunit' Mamamoo Has Been Receiving Hate Storms- And Its Only Getting Worse. On Strong Heart Henry revealed that when he first came to Southkorea he thought his fellow members were gay and that Kim Heechul was transgender. hitType: 'event', The controversies surrounding Mamamoo sometimes hurt for sure, because you can tell that theyre pretty genuine in who they are without putting on too much of a show, arent out to get or hurt anyone, and are capable of realizing when they have made mistakes. I have a tendency to get a bit defensive and come across as rude/mocking/patronising/self righteous when I dont mean to, which Im trying to work on, but its hard to tell when Im doing it, so I try to avoid argument a lot. When you choose to spend that privilege constantly mocking and harassing people online, well, karma's going to come back to you, in some form or another. I dont make these lists with the intent of ruining the idols image or spreading misinformation (which by the way, if I do again, please call me out on it because otherwise I have no other way of knowing). A quick list (that is nowhere near all) of the vocal famous Mamamoo fans include: JYP (founder of JYPE), Yoo Hee Yeol (Host of Sketchbook), Im Chang Jung (senior ballad singer), Lee Hyori (senior solo artist), Hyuna (solo artist), Seulgi (of Red Velvet), Lee Dahee (actress), Wang Bitna (actress), and Kim Hyesoo (actress). From my own judgement, the members seem like good, genuine people. Another misconception I found was about Hwasa and how shes the devil and sooo racist. Korean girl group Mamamoo apologized Saturday after a video clip aired at their concert that featured the quartet in blackface. Ive heard Moomoos are known as fairly passive, but its also why they are known as some of the most accepting and even better behaved fans. They make a difference. Others, despite agreeing that Hwasa was at fault, thought the questions were taking it too far. Ill probably look for another video of the same segment at some point but I dont have time right now. They were ignorant and uneducated at the time. Mamamoo's "problematic" past (still robot voice, sorry sis) 325,340 views Sep 11, 2018 13K Dislike Share Chaennie Lisoo 38.1K subscribers In this video I take a look at one opinion in. eventAction: 'click_image_ads' (I read your tags) I hope you dont mind me reblogging this, If you do please just tell me and Ill delete it. They are also one of the very few groups to have not only have won an Immortal Songs episode, but won three separate times with Backwoods, Wonderful Confession, and The Dance In Rhythm (this is typically something only done by veteran singers, as idols competing have to win over an all-age audience). They've made mistakes in the past, but they're learning and growing through their experiences. Having said that it was still wrong but I don't acquite it to a minstrel show or it have been in a mock manner and I am glad that they apologised and have learnt from that. It is common in America to wear red puffy wigs as the stereotype of a clown, however it is not as common in South Korea, which is why Hwasa wore braids as the hair to her outfit. The company even took it down same day and cut it out so to make sure that it was offending people. MAMAMOO's Hwasa is a cast member in the MBS reality show I live Alone (literal translation). Why? The thing that happened next is the thing often referenced the most when discussing Mamamoos past, Hwasa singing the n-word. 21 Feb 2023, 07:29 PM. They could learn about Korean values and customs online, but they'll never truly understand the severity of it because they're not from that culture where it's significant. Feb 22, 2023. eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), When people see my profile pic on Instagram and see that I'm a black Moomoo , they always try to use it against me saying that I must not care about the black community if I still support them. Their interactions with their fans and staff members are so sweet and genuine, and they do their best to be inclusive of everyone (like Wheein taking her time to speak to a deaf fan and doing some sign language, Hwasa going on the floor to sign a fan's cast---the list goes on). They wont know the nuances of why what they did is offensive to us and thats why we tell them. i love exo. Because of mistakes that they've made out of ignorance, mistakes that they've apologized for. (Also just a little side note, I know people arent aware and I havent specified it on this blog, but please dont refer to me with she/her pronouns! TWICE - jihyo: wore a native american costume + introduced herself as ''indian jihyo . Group. And this links back to other instances of Hwasa being called out for cultural appropriation, the most recent being her wearing what appeared to be a traditional Nigerian outfit on the MBC show 'I Live Alone'. Read more about it here. I just always feel the need to resolve something when I get into it and I could see where you were coming from (plus you made some valid criticisms) so I thought Id explain myself. its good(, When asked who their ideal types would be if the other members were girls, Chen chose Luhan and Chanyeol chose D.O and Lay then took the microphone to clarify that they were not gay by saying, A similar incident occurred at a concert(?) A lot of it is about perspective, and privilege, but also some people have lower tolerance levels than other people. Non fans for all the questions, suggestions, reviews, anything. Im also scared of spreading misinformation and making mistakes (both of which are things I have done), and I dont like the idea of people feeling too intimidated to call me out when I mess up. please read this first, honestly i will not respond to anyone who has not read this first. media-tech companies with hubs around the world. When asked about it, she replied that it was an homage to Rihanna, who wore something similar in a performance, as RIhanna is one of the people she looks up to the most. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. But i was told online that even after apologised that they did it again but I couldn't find anything that showed that the only thing I found was Solar doing a beggar impersonation SNL in 2016 but that's not blackface or colourism as I have seen people try to argue, as homeless do get dark or tanner as they are unable to clean themselves properly and are outside all the time. When I say this, the person might think, Look whos talking, but I would reply, Im a boy and youre a girl, To this, both Kim Shin Young and announcer Gu Eun Young retorted, Why does gender matter in this situation? MAMAMOO () is a four-member girl group currently under RBW. Probation Faker. I included links to everything that was on the list (some of which had been deleted - another thing I messed up on big time) and with certain things, I did include a bit of extra information (e.g. For example, Ryeowook is another suju member I really like, and I dont agree with him using a picture of Yesung in blackface as his twitter icon whatsoever, I think it was incredibly offensive and insensitive and ignorant, but its not something that has caused me to dislike him. 21 Jan 2023, 03:11 AM . Joined: May 2022. yeah, suju has done problematic stuff and i agree, we shouldnt defend it or excuse it, its good to have that kind of discussion. They are known and respected by the general public, for their powerful vocals and performances, and can only go up in relevance from here. pic.twitter.com/d4GXcv4AIt, As more fans attempted to clear the hashtag and ask for others to be kind and consider the mental health of idols like Hwasa, some couldn't help but laugh at the questions being asked. Mamamoo ( Korean : , stylized in all caps) [2] is a South Korean girl group formed by RBW (formerly WA Entertainment) in 2014, composed of four members: Solar, Moon Byul, Whee In and Hwa Sa. And please send me a link when you upload the video, Id be interested in seeing your translation. Honestly there is nothing wrong with what they said. window.googletag.cmd.push(function() { Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. MEAWW is an initialism for Media Entertainment Arts WorldWide. if(document.querySelector("#google_image_div")){ ; _____; aaaa. "Hey remember dressing up in blackface with the rest of Mamamoo," read one tweet. I feel like stepping back will give me more time to learn and expand my horizons and less time to speak on topics I dont actually know much about. This thread can't even agree on what Mamamoo did or did not do and yet y'all want to drag them into Blackpink's problematic sh*t to divert the attention, y'all are a damn mess. We all make mistakes and Mamamoo is no exception. I think people need to realize that Asia is still inside a bit of a bubble when it comes to what is appropriate regarding race and cultures. ), http://ourbridgeisforever.tumblr.com/post/117874134598/hi-i-just-wanted-to-comment-on-your-tag-about, http://ourbridgeisforever.tumblr.com/post/117835308868/ayabewakasa-one-unsubstantiated-article-that, http://ourbridgeisforever.tumblr.com/post/118060768918/about-the-issue-of-siwon-saying-no-to-the-fanboy, http://ourbridgeisforever.tumblr.com/post/119551166438/baekbitchyeol-catchmeinthedrift. reporters on a platform technologically tailored to meet the needs of the modern reader. the Eunhyuk WGM thing being scripted). Normal version comes with 1 random photocard out of 4. Thank you~). Heechul put the scarf on his head as Gain was explaining why she chose to wear hers in a hijab style. We always seem to be so hard to celebrities, especially idols, when they fuck up yet we're never there to congratulate them once we see them grow and change. Their members consist of Solar, Moonbyul, Wheein, and Hwasa, with Solar being the oldest and leader of the group. I was enjoying binging 4 years worth of missed content from them but I guess it's inevitable that I stumbled on . They're open-minded and extremely kind people. disclaimer: i am NOT trying to cancel any of the idols on this list, just calling them out. Personally, I come from a Chinese household with really racist, sexist, misogynistic, and homophobic beliefs. Their sound is diverse, but can best be described as a mix between jazz, retro, and R&B. Heres the thing- you can not forgive them. Im aware people hold stuff against suju quite a lot, especially in comparison to other problematic groups like BigBang and 2NE1, who I rarely see get criticised, but that doesnt counteract the fact that suju have messed up before (because theyre human beings). For a lot of other controversies in Korea (like addressing an older person informally), international fans may not understand those issues as well as Koreans and believe that it's no big deal. I also hear about a clown outfit she wore in one of their videos that people again try to say was blackface but how when she's naturally tan and didn't look any different than normal so I was like huh. Its probably my fault for not communicating that clearly enough though. Each controversy mamamoo has had is different from the next, yet people will hold a grudge and use any excuse to keep hating them. Please put a * at the end of the message if you don't want it published. }); Um yeah they are just that close that they make fun of each other. The environment that they grew up in is much different than ours; they're surrounded by customs and norms from their own society and culture. #1. if(document.querySelector("#adunit")){ I never thought it would gain the traction that it did and I dont feel comfortable running it at the moment, Im sorry. She gets loads of comments drenched in colourism and misogyny about her genitals and looks its truly vomit worth. But seeing these articles faze me. Why was that her fault? I didnt really spend a huge amount of time on that Super Junior post and I didnt properly think about the way I was phrasing things, or the information I was including. | A Japanese Man Reacts to Duolingo Let's ask Shogo | Your. Yes, I should have checked the links. The MAMAMOO Introduction Guide of 2022 (Part 1: Members) MOO YT 40K views 7 months ago Is Duolingo Really a Good Way to Study Japanese? However it did look dumb not going to lie not a good look and hopes she does not it again. And when a few Moos did call other fandoms out on their abusive tweets, the response that night was majority she deserves it, or most common answer: its just a joke. Also I see hate being normalised and even being defended its not hard if u don't want to forgive them then just ignore or block all mentions of them. I will try to work on this in the future because I dont want to portray idols as villains when theyre not actually responsible for what has happened (e.g. window.googletag.pubads().addEventListener('slotOnload', function(event) { Yes, I should have included more info and specified where I wasnt knowledgable. They received their first music show win in 2016 with Youre The Best and have since gone on to win dozens more, ending 2019 with a combined total of 41 music show wins, making them one of the most highest winning girl groups in history. Red Velvet too. Maybe you are just too sensitive?? Joined: Mar 2022 #5. : ) : ) Wow! and I know it would've been much, much lower if I didn't force y'all to give the NMIXX songs an average of at least 3.00. Ive seen multiple times that idols should know better because they have internet access and should know why the n word is bad or why blackface is bad. Mamamoo - Solar. Im not trying to run away from anything, if you have issues with any of the things I say or do (because I am privileged in certain aspects) please dont feel afraid to bring them up! #AskHwasa pic.twitter.com/h0oPUHVyku, Some, naturally, came to Hwasa's defense, pointing out that her, the rest of Mamamoo, as well as their label Rainbowbridge World (RBW), have all apologized or at the very least provided an explanation for their actions in the past. It has become commonplace to trash Mamamoo and Hwasa in particular, just another meme or joke to let slide. Idols lives are super scrutinized, and I think many people just forget that idols are real people too. No it doesnt excuse what theyve said, but its likely that they have changed, which is something everybody does and it should be embraced. i seriously didnt mean to sound defensive?? Mobile +91-9466446612, +91-9728497962; Email info@pvginternationals.com; wow tanaan jungle questline; small planet airlines fleet; you've got mail bookstore name 6)not excusing it or defending it but [continues to make an excuse for Henry] Sorry, but yes, you are trying to make up excuses for him. Contents 1 History 1.1 Pre-debut 1.2 2014: Debut with Hello, and Piano Man 1.3 2015: Pink Funky 1.4 2016: Melting, MOOSICAL and Memory 1.5 2017: MOOSICAL Curtain Call and Purple This, combined with their Immortal Song wins, truly demonstrates just how much of an impact Mamamoo has, as their reach goes far beyond just kpop. Kim Yong-sun (Korean: , born February 21, 1991), better known by the stage name Solar (Korean: ), is a South Korean singer, songwriter and actress signed under RBW.She is the leader and main vocalist of girl group Mamamoo and its sub-unit Mamamoo+. Others were soon reminding Hwasa once again of her past mistakes, including wearing blackface along with the rest of Mamamoo in a performance where they were parodying Bruno Mars. I only made the post because Ive personally received asks about whether or not there is a Super Junior master post and whether specific members have done anything, and thought itd be easy to compile a list, seeing as thats sorta what this blog is for. It's even harder these days.. anything can be taken out of context for example, they're banning "Baby It's Cold Outside" on the radio because some people feel the lyrics suggest date rape what a load of BS. If a celebrity said something homophobic 5 years ago but is now a huge activist in the lgbtq+ community, its likely that they were just ignorant and have learned since. It hurts my heart to see people bash them like that, it really does. For the segment, the three followed outfits . okay so before i start this list, i just wanna clarify: i am an exo stan. Siwon isnt the only member this has happened to, and I also understand that a lot of the time people take things out of context in order to justify hating on a specific member and its really frustrating. I always try to reblog posts made by the people who are affected and include links in my responses but I havent been so good at keeping my mouth shut when it doesnt involve me, which is something I am going to change in myself. It's just crazy how haters can twist every single thing. So to me Mamamoo isn't the most problematic groups, they are one of the every few kpop groups that take criticism and acknowledge it and learn from it. Everyday there are tweets wishing for her to die, get beat up, fall out of planes, etc. The sun will always shine for us. Its kinda iffy, and as a trans & queer person it definitely rubs me the wrong way :-//. Goodnight. }); But their fans always informed them about their insensitive actions and Mamamoo always immediately apologized. Above all, however, Mamamoo is a power-vocal group and strongly celebrated for it, even winning Favorite Vocal Artist at both the 2018 and 2019 MAMAs. Theyre one of my favorite groups and its kind of annoying to see people say that Im not a fan just because I made the post. eventAction: 'view' What are your thoughts? Yeah, the first thing international fans do is hear that Mamamoo is bad and that they shouldn't like them, and then they jump in on the hate without doing their own research. I very strongly believe that people can change and one action doesnt define them for the rest of their life, and if I dont include an apology in a post, its always going to be because I didnt know they apologised. The photos are problematic as they were taken in 2008 when Chorong was in high school and underage at 17 years old. Lose some weight, why cant you take care of yourself. Things not included arent included because they DIDNT happen, stop believing lies told by edgy kpop stans w/o any recipts https://t.co/rBMH79ZvlD, HELP i dont like hwasa but some of yall going a little to far, some of yall preach mental health but pick and choose who that applies too ngl i let out a couples laughs tho#AskHwasa pic.twitter.com/GbxXzX6Fna. }) Yet she's okay with that. They removed the video from the ending of their concert shows and Mamamoo also personally apologized at their following concert to anyone who could have been affected by their previous actions. A large section of the hate she receives is linked to the idol rarely conforming to what is typically expected of women in K-pop, particularly ones in girl groups. or for the life of me find it again so this is unsourced for the time being. It's harder to get exposed to these issues that we know about under their circumstances, but once Mamamoo comes across them and understand, they'll learn from it. Im not Korean and I dont live in Korea so Im not comfortable talking about Korean social norms or anything like that, but colorism and homophobia are still bad and damaging things. Apink made an exciting appearance on the recent July 1 episode of SNL Korea, but one of the show's skits featuring member Bomi has caused a wave of backlash among fans and viewers. I hope everybody has a good day/night. It arguably began around late 2018 Windflower era, when antis began to change Mamamoo's music video titles to racial slurs and death threats. Personally, from the time that I've been a fan, Mamamoo has usually apologized/acted contrite for any controversies that they've caused. gads_event = event; Our team is real men., Actually, we are all men, real men ah! I cant undo posting it, but I regret it and Im really, genuinely sorry for spreading incorrect information and for any of the fans I upset. I'm not dismissing them or overlooking them, but I know that there was no ill intent in what they did and that they're doing their best. Anyway, just my thoughts. okay so people seemed to find my exo masterpost pretty helpful and Im very aware that suju arent exactly the least offensive group around, so (since the YFIP one isnt very up-to-date) I thought Id make a super junior masterpost since Im a suju fan and I want to provide helpful resources for other fans. where henry addressed the gay thing (the trans thing wasnt included) and he doesnt seem to have said anything about it worrying him! Nobody is saying you cant like these idols, everybody messes up at some point, but dont call other people sensitive just because you might have a higher tolerance level. One of the latest developments in recent times, that is currently drawing attention on online communities such as Nate/Pann and Twitter is the promotional period of K-Pop groups/soloists. ourbridgeisforever:. i am so so tired. Meanwhile for girl groups it's just full of hate comments even if they did not do as many or as severe problematic things as boy groups. Fandom Name - Moomoo Sub-Unit - Mamamoo+ Japanese Website Twitter Japanese Twitter Instagram YouTube Japanese YouTube Fan Cafe Tiktok ga('ads.send', { offensive/misogynistic comments to his Cyworld account, Kai was in charge of skin color in the group, my noona is a little on the tanned side, no wonder why you guys acted like you were so close with each other, I thought the lights were not entering over there, said that he has Kai saved as Blackie in his phone contacts, in a pre-debut video with a hard -er at the end, how can you say something that doesnt even make sense?, Chanyeol asked Kai if he wanted to lighten his skin, Dont misunderstand us. }); Mamamoo's Hwasa has come under fire more than once after accusations of racism and cultural appropriation. Hwasa, while covering the track, read the lyrics as is, leading to the gaffe. And it manifested almost solely around Hwasa who since the very beginning has received the bulk of the hate. I'm a fairly new Mamamoo fan and I was hearing a lot about them being super problematic towards black people(so being black) I decided to some research to find out. Anyway, I hope this didnt come across as rude or anything, but I really need to go to sleep now. 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Ive seen a lot of people (and even previously been them sometimes) throwing around the Siwon thing to say hes wildly homophobic, for example, when it turned out to be heavily unreliable and probably false. You must understand that Asians are very very different from non asians in terms of being conservative, preferring lighter skin and saying that theh are not gay. They are definitely not out to hurt anybody, that I know for sure. I wholeheartedly accept that I messed up on this and Im really sorry, because I feel like I sort of have a responsibility not to spread misinformation and thats exactly what I did. The point is to provide information about things which could be perceived as offensive so that fans can decide for themselves whether or not they feel comfortable continuing to support the idols. pg.acq.push(function() { To preface, I love Mamamoo (obviously haha - otherwise I wouldnt be subbed to this community, I guess! 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