When you run the Virpil Joystick tester, do all the analog axes and button inputs show up? No rush though, as we all know its not a quick in out game. Im looking at either going the virpil mongoos T-50 CM2 base with the mongoos T-50 CM2 grip or constellation alpha grip with the 200mm S curve extension for 554.81 euro (905.89 aud) (includes shipping). My own conclusion was that VKB is around 10% cheaper and 99% as good as Virpil. Maybe you should check out youtube and see the posts about how to do the setup. > Pictures In all honesty, I am leaning toward the virpil stick, but what I want to know is are their hidden pros or cons to each stick that I should know about and is the additional ~$80US for Virpil (and the wait) worth it over the VKB? My experience with these sticks is in a HOSAS setup (With the MCG being part of my old HOTAS), so there may be some "synergy" for HOTAS binding considerations that might sway one way or another for the MCG vs Constellation. Common sense tells me that the Gladiator NXT is the sensible option. But now Im able to use the two sticks twist axes to handle strafing (right) and moving up and down (left). Me personally I plan to upgrade to mcg ultimate with the gf mkIII base from vkb, when they come out for people who dont already have gf base in February. I have both and for me the VKB just wins out. I've gone back to a single, non-split profile, still nada on any of the three axes . Warthog grip and you are good to go. Perhaps toe break tension as well. Still, you cant really go wrong with either choice. I used this for my warthog. It will also likely have the same kind of impact when Elite Dangerous: Odyssey launches later this year, adding first-person, on-foot gameplay to that spacefaring game. The only other thing up in the same price and perhaps build quality (I don't truly know about them either other than what I've read here, they're trying at least) is Winwing but their stick option is much more limited in overall controls. Nevertheless, late last year Virpil sent along a selection of its most popular flight gear. Hey rick, yeah you will want to use Joy Gremlin or Universal Control Remapper alongside vjoy. 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But it might give you some ideas regarding quantity of controls being 'enough'. If not, then you've configured the device incorrectly. Got a Virpil throttle but I can only program about half the hats, axis', and buttons because of ED limiting us to 32 "buttons" per device. I have an idea from my previous setup, but never really got round to completing it for Exploring and even negotiation of the galaxy map, I need to sort this finally as Im using an old DK2 VR and must stop the temptation to use my keyboard, or mouse. They have adopted the Thrustmaster Warthog connector and improved it while staying backwards compatible. I intend to do mostly spaceflight sims with the stick(s). 04.08.20|The sheet for the Throttle has been updated (a button was missing). That's weird because normally a USB 3 controller can supposedly support up to 127 devices. By choosing I Accept, you consent to our use of cookies and other tracking technologies. Ultimately, it's likely either VKB or Vipril gear will work great for you and you'll be more than happy with either. How convert Warthog grip for VKB standard:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3OC6-CBv4. With those limitations in mind, I still cant help but recommend Virpil. The V3-S also opens the door to additional customization options, including mounts that hang a keyboard, mouse pad, additional button boxes, and more all off of the same clamp. (e.g. Very close to the real thing (comparing it to C-130J and A400M controls). > DIY The full analog mini on both (plus the option of the second which is switchable from digital hat to analog on the fly on the MCG Pro) offers additional axes besides the main X/Y. Note that youll need two of the Desk Mount V3-S devices for a HOSAS solution using the Virpil Constellation sticks, which brings the price of accessories up to $140. VKB offers an adapter that has to replace the stock connector/pinout in the grip. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). It functions great and feels great. Generally you will find that Virpil is considered the top dog in the mid-range sim gear bracket. Looking at grips VKB and Virpil are more similar and it feels like preference is mostly related to hand size and just what each person prefers. I was hoping for something like this for Virpil Hotas. You all have inspired me to investigate higher quality gear for my flight sim time. There are all sorts of advice guides on how to optimise your chances. It took me 6 months before I could get my order in for the Alpha. Better still, the Constellations side-mounted thumbsticks mean that you can actually navigate on foot without ever taking your hands off the joysticks. By Everything I've ever bought from VKB has been spot on out of the box. I have the twist adapter for the original MCG and while the twist itself is great, the ergonomics of the MCG grip are not the best for twisting (as it was never really designed for that). I've had 2 springs snap, which has pretty much taken my left stick out of commission (I've heard the NXTs actually ship with replacements -- mine didn't). Looks like the Virpil devices need more power that I have available. So whats a budding flight or space sim enthusiast to do? I have a good comparison of VKB and Virpil looking at the Modern Combat Grip (Their other premium grip, recently being re-released in an all-metal build) and the Constellation-Alpha, and they perform nearly identical in my opinion.. My personal experience with VKB's Kosmosima grip (the grip that comes in their MK3 space combat edition package) is very negative. Even basic assembly drove me out to YouTube where I spent hours freeze-framing foreign language unboxing videos to find out which screw goes where. The Virpil Constellation Alpha also comes in a left-handed variant. I have a VKB stick/pedals and a Virpil throttle, and I feel that VKB hardware is higher quality overall (mostly due to the electronics/internals). Is anyone using Vjoy or a simiar program(s) to solve this problem? Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. https://1drv.ms/p/s!AuHD2NL7qn3w3gxZVfByQOacohmx?e=RhWkjj. That's it. They strike a good balance between price point and feature set, sitting comfortably in between classics like the Logitech X-52 and the Thrustmaster T16000, and higher end products from Thrustmaster and VKB. Thank you for all the suggestions. Out of the box, Virpils large, grippy rubber feet stay put on most surfaces. If that checks out, Elite should see all the analog axes and some of the buttons. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. So vkb is not the first/only. But, by pulling back on that stick I had easy access to reverse thrust, which makes slowing down and changing directions in space a lot snappier. I love both sets but have settled on an MCG Gunfighter with T-rudders and the Virpil throttle. I dont care about cost or desk mounting height or which is the better company or customer service . > Reviews sorry don't own one but a here's a something you may like to try first. So far Im extremely impressed. If youre playing a more hardcore flight simulator, like something from the DCS World portfolio, you probably already know about VKB. I have a Virpil cm2 throttle and a vkb gladiator nxt. They also have just the right amount of heft to them, and feel like a substantial upgrade to the kinds of flight sticks Ive been using for the last decade. That brings the price for a full HOTAS mounting solution closer to $180. I think that there's a good chance that the Gunfighter + mcg ultimate will take the spot as best consumer joystick on the market. You can also remove about an inch of height from the pedals, stripping off the rubber feet and the entire lower frame, to attach them directly to a custom flight seat. Using a Virpil HOTAS in Elite Dangerous Ken Cikas 1.25K subscribers Subscribe 61 Share 7.4K views 2 years ago Finally got around to editing this down. 2012-2022 1C Game Studios | 1-777 Limited, 32 Kritis Street, Papachristoforou Building, 4th Floor, 3087 Limassol, Cyprus. Gonna sound real silly but I miss the days of walking into a electronics shop and being able to actually try the feel of the sticks out. Somebody has also made some printable maps so that you can record what and where you have settings. Cookie Notice For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. They've all been excellent, but I wouldn't choose a Delta for a primary grip in any game; it's ambidextrous which is cool I guess, but while it's good for either hand, it's not great for either hand. It features a dead-simple clamp with an adjustable bite, which you can dial in to firmly grasp the edge of your desk surface and hold fast. A good USB powered hub should help with this. Logitech, Thrustmaster, and many of the big name manufacturers are out of stock everywhere you look. Also, I did notice some defective materials in the batch of products that I received. > Tutorials and everything HOTAS related. Yes I followrd their guide. I definitely have more than 38 inputs on my x55. Not sure where you're concerned about 'number of buttons' available with VKB though. I read somewhere that you need the virpil software to tell the OS that it's 2 different inputs. All rights reserved I have the same Virpil throttle. We use cookies and other tracking technologies to improve your browsing experience on our site, show personalized content and targeted ads, analyze site traffic, and understand where our audiences come from. I currently have a T.16kM HOTAS setup and am looking to upgrade the flightstick first and eventually move over to a HOSAS setup. Either way, in terms of quality and build at least it seems like a toss up. Initially it was all a bit daunting but after a fair bit of reading various threads this is where I'm at A bit about my requirements - Got to be desktop based. While the input devices alone are excellent, Virpil also has a line of surprisingly affordable custom mounting solutions. Overall, Im smitten with these Virpil controls. It may show you something you did wrong. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I want to choose the best one for nice grip and feel, reaching buttons with s/med hands, good button placement, usability with Elite and SC, easy twisting for yaw and good centring with no drift. A lot cheaper and for someone that isn't hardcore into tons of flying will be more than sufficient. My favorite set of kit is called the Virpil Constellation Alpha, which, when coupled with a throttle, does an admirable job of controlling commercial aircraft. I'd consider myself a fairly casual player that is fortunate enough to have enough expendable money for lavish purchases such as this. Money isn't really an issue for me. Ive been taking it for a test drive on my custom-built flight rig. Gladiator is out of stock in Europe, Virpil say there is a back order on their stuff. The VKB software also allows an enormous amount of customization like a shift key action to double up on everything or (what I find sufficient) a 'tempo' function so a quick tap vs. a longer press has 2 different operations for buttons or certain hat positions. Have a look through the Virpil forums. What it really comes down to is whether you plan to use the twist. You are using an out of date browser. The feel and build quality is like nothing else. The impact was especially prominent in Star Citizen, which has much faster ships and far more aggressive combat. Still other manufacturers are taking pre-orders, and then banging out new units as quickly as they can. First, the documentation on these products ranges from awful to non-existent. Please also read our Privacy Notice and Terms of Use, which became effective December 20, 2019. Outline:0:00 - First impressio. What little product is actually available even used equipment is going for wildly inflated prices. And, just like everyone else, Virpils stuff is on backorder as well. Everything about it is perfect. How easy was the software to learn? VKB complicate unnecessary the things, because being a "Apple" require a . Virpil has the better engineers. Its also mostly plastic, but in a good way. After nearly a decade of watching modest, incremental improvements in the space its nice to see a manufacturer innovating with their flight sticks. This applies to the connector between grip and base. It will simply store your configuation under "custom". I received it in just over 4 weeks too, just a day before Christmas! The Gunfighter is apparently available so even though I probably don't need it, common sense might desert me and I'll plump for the pricier option just because I cant wait. And just last night the plastic peg for one of the hat switches snapped. All rights reserved. I use one from Wavlink and have 7 devices plugged into it with no problems, including a Virpil joystick, a VKB joystick and a Virpil throttle. I have an in-depth write up here. I have a warthog here, definitely above other sticks I owned, I feel like Virpils are too. Oops. Virpil is a more competitive option if you want to use TM grips out of the box (but you could just buy a VKB adapter and do the same or a WinWing base). It features a. I also built a button box arrangement into my chair power controls (seat adjust, subwoofer, surround shoulder speakers, cooling) and find I almost never let go of the sticks to USE the button box. I have zero complaints about it. If youre stuck on Microsoft Flight Simulator especially the big commercial airliners give Honeycomb Aeronautical a try. Unless you know where they are on the sticks, it'll be very confusing. Will cost me less money since I can just plug in my Warthog without having to buy that $50 adapter from VKB. Was looking at getting a new one but decided I might as well upgrade to either the VKB Gunfighter or Virpril T50 and would love some advice and opinions on both setups. Nice descriptions. The MCG Pro also has the brake axis and technically the flip-up trigger is ALSO an axis although more often used as a couple of different buttons. Good news for fans of Microsoft Flight Simulator, Elite Dangerous, and Star Citizen. Is the base the same on both? Thanks, Ill take your advise. The ideal base for Warthog - a heavy (~1KG) grip plus extension is T50CM2. Its unique to you. Maybe I have too many devices plugged in. Better options out there? Virpil's software isn't very intuitive. Press J to jump to the feed. They release quickly, making storage a breeze. I didn't say ED provided a game setting for Virpil. Valve Corporation. That means you can easily arrange for a much more complex dual-stick set-up. It works perfectly with all buttons. - VKB gunfighter base vs Virpils bases: VKB has a dry clutch. I plan on positing a review of the mcg ultimate once I receive it (should be getting it later this week hopefully) if you're curious. For space sims, I think Virpil has it over VKB hands down when looking at the Kosmosima vs Constellation Alpha. The right-hand stick still has complete control of pitch and yaw, while rudder pedals handle roll. Virpil also may be a little easier to get your hands on sooner rather than later. Theres even a line of collective grips on the way, which will be perfect for the new helicopters coming to DCS World and Microsoft Flight Simulator in the not-to-distant future. September 8, 2019 in Hardware, Software and Controllers. They needed a bolt tightening inside to get rid of the wobble. My advice, of course, is to give the scalpers a wide berth. Both multiple cam and spring force options. Just got the Virpil Constellation Alpha-R grip with the Warbrd base, as well as the 50 CM2 throttle and elite doesn't see any Virpil hardware. Vectors which had previously been relegated to the keyboard or tiny hat switches were now integrated into the joysticks themselves. Sorry to resurrect the thread, but I've have my MongoosT-50CM2 throttle for a couple of months and my Constellation Delta should be in this week. Problem isn't your Virpil, Elite Dangerous cannot use past 32 buttons on a device. I only have experience with vkb, but from everything I've read on here they are, for the most part, neck and neck, and I can't see you being disappointed with either. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. Did you a manage to get your bindings for Elite dangerous ? There really is plenty. But as far as quality of the gimbals, both are fantastic. If you fly helos, you will fall in love with this. You must log in or register to reply here. Initially I'm after a stick and will continue to use my X55 throttle, eventually I'll replace my throttle or possibly go 2 sticks. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. Been rocking dual gladiator Ks for a while now (they have been discontinued and replaced with the NXT) but just recently, with just under about 6 months of use I've been having a few small things breaking. Take my advice - before starting, enter into the map all the switch and button numbers from the Virpil test program because when you look in the ED keybindings, that's what will show. It would be wrong to say that TECS "worthily follows the line of VKB engineering tradition . * Gunfighter Mk.III is to be released, "soon". I use Joystick gremlin, so elite can see all the buttons on the throttle. 2 - is virpil worth the extra $200+ more and a very long wait. See our ethics statement. in Elite I set one hat to move pips to weaps / sys / eng, 4th position being the 'reset', but I can also long press in the 'weap' direction to activate a macro that 'resets' and quickly bumps to my preferred overall 'fighting' weap-sys distribution, or same thing in the 'engine' direction quickly gets me to run-away distribution. 12V/7.5A. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. If you go with a HOTAS solution instead, making use of one of Virpils fully-customizable throttle boxes, youll need a slightly larger version of the clamp and a special adapter plate. I read a few posts about which is best but most people commenting have not used both to really compare. Have you tried each device individually with nothing else plugged in? The scissors gimbal is not very pleasant around center. And every one but a single dial is bound. 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