And I guess when we got to the third album sequence that I had, Jason was like, why isnt Fault Lines on there? GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. But I think folks forget that access to abortion and reproductive healthcare is not just about terminating unwanted pregnancy. And then coupled with the pandemic and all that, he was on self-preservation mode, and I was too. SHIRES: (Singing) I was a healer. So I think she did a good job. It was Fault Lines.. Isbell said he had to cancel his Asheville shows scheduled for Jan. 11-12, but he and his team are working to reschedule shows in Louisville, Columbus, Wilkes-Barre and Wilmington. Shires has released seven solo albums starting in 2005, her most recent being Take It Like a Man in 2022. But anyway, he just grabbed my hand and held it. Having recently moved to Nashville with Shires whose own fourth solo album, Down Fell the Doves, comes out next week the newlyweds will sequester themselves in different corners of the house to write new songs, then play them for each other. Got myself a breakthrough case of Covid, the Alabama-born artist tweeted Tuesday. You know, like, how does that go? On your Twitter, you describe yourself as a disciple of Leonard Cohen. So I dont have to go trying to learn all these other things. He asserted that the band would cancel the concert if any venue refused to agree to their requirements. And he married my grandmother. After recording and touring for several years with the Drive-By Truckers, for whom he wrote standouts including Decoration Day, Outfit and Danko/Manuel, Isbell launched his solo career in 2007. Oh, I could have crowed. Im glad to be a listener and also glad to see folks from those generations supporting the right to choose. As if to match it, she experimented for the first time with filtering the sound of her fiddle through effects pedals, which lends her playing a fierce luminescence. We have Olivia Rodrigo and Phoebe Bridgers speaking up, and Ariana Grande. If you see my milk cow, please drive her on home cause I had no milk and butter no since my cows been gone. It rings out like its supposed to. And the other parts, youre just kind of asleep. Musician Adia Victoria also tweeted at Isbell and praised the artist for continuing to put the health and safety ofhis crew, my band, venue employees and fans first and foremost, to which he replied with three heart emojis. You know, its Jimmy Webbs song originally, but. Long before weathering the isolating COVID-19 pandemic, Shires had endured years of studio experiences where producers and musicians undermined her It just seemed like the right thing to do because I dont want to spend my time on stage worried about if Im making people sick.. SHIRES: My whole left arm is tattoos of Leonard Cohen. Recently, I had an ectopic pregnancy, she tweeted. Youve been very outspoken about the right to have an abortion. Were you in Texas at the time? Which brings up the question, why were Jason and I, and Margo Price, the biggest celebrities quasi-celebrities at the march in Nashville? SHIRES: Yes. And Milk Cow Blues goes like this. In 2019, she founded a country music supergroup called The Highwomen alongside Brandi Carlile, Maren Morris and Natalie Hemby. The Problem wraps up by driving home the weight of the decision for her character. (SOUNDBITE OF AMANDA SHIRES SONG, SWIMMER), GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. All rights reserved (About Us). GROSS: Oh, yeah. Not saying something is not helping. photos by @alyssegafkjen People forget that, if you take away access to reproductive healthcare, youre going to be killing moms like me. And for a lot of folks, that can be the most boring part of the three-part string ensemble thing. We want to hear it. NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) Three months after an emergency heart transplant, Grammy-nominated keyboardist, producer, songwriter and artist Peter Levin And I return to them often. And we had a TV that wed watch, you know, Saturday Night Live on Saturdays. Elizaveta Porodina/Courtesy of the artist I dont care if somebody wants to put a target on me. GROSS: OK. SHIRES: No, not until a couple of years ago. Ive found and scrounged and continue to for every interview that hes done in any form, in any language. Isbells first show after finishing rehab was opening solo for Ryan Adams in Perth, Australia, three days after he got out (two, if you count the international dateline, the day that goes into the vortex). And I thought if Im going to get any rest, Im going to have to do something about this. My family left Honduras when they killed the Sandinistas. Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble. I still miss the way you lean in. No way. Im your man. Here's why. And she was like, I had no idea. If we tell our stories, it helps other people feel empowered. Opening with solemn piano chords, The Problem features Isbells voice first, then Shires joins, and the pair trade lines as they move the story along. Amanda Shires is a singing, songwriting. SHIRES: I didnt know anything about them. And it was a Carrie Underwood song from it was, like, six years before that or something. Were you just, like, the cute kid who could play but, you know that audiences would go wild over because you were a girl in the band and there wasnt much of that? If you want a driver, climb inside or only want to take me for a ride, you know you can. 825 Eighth Avenue, New York, NY 10019, WNET is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization. I cant see a thing from here. Probably nobody enjoys it as much as I do, but its not a necessity for survival. (Playing fiddle). Boosted and very grateful for it., When a fan asked how his wife Amanda Shires and their daughter are feeling, Isbell answered, Mercy is negative with no symptoms and Amanda didnt come with me on this run, shes negative at home. GROSS: Your mother earlier in her life worked as a bail bondsman, right? But I had about seven different album sequences going on. GROSS: Thats Empty Cups from Amanda Shires new album, Take It Like A Man. Thats such a great song, Amanda. Sign up for Rolling Stones Newsletter. So lets hear a little bit of that song. Essentially, shes just a good person. As it turns out, it did start some conversations within our own families. She has a big conscience, a big heart. GROSS: Oh, thats so funny. Weve had legal abortions for 50 years and now, suddenly, a long-held right will be illegal. GROSS: Well, I want to play a song performed by The Highwomen, and the song is actually called The Highwomen, and its a song sung from the point of view of different women. Cookie Settings/Do Not Sell My Personal Information. We found out that, yes, our grandmothers are pro-choice. We both know that none of that was keeping, keeping me anyhow. After trailing off there, she draws a thorny conclusion about the web of intimate, familial dependency: "Maybe being human is an orphaned condition and what's missing isn't what should be found. The players in the band, they took me seriously as a player, but they also understood that I was a kid.. He has since learned to tell the story of his recovery. Is there a song that you could play a Leonard Cohen song you could play an excerpt of for us in tribute to him since were both such great fans? GROSS: With the Texas Playboys when youre performing with them or something that you learned from one of your teachers but that really made you fall in love with the style and that epitomizes what that style is. Click the audio link above to get the full experience, On channeling her feelings about her marriage into writing Fault Lines and showing it to Isbell, I went and I sat down in my barn of internal wandering, and this is after some kind of nebulous argument, and I wrote Fault Lines and then I texted it to him, just like youd imagine, I said, I just wrote this song. And then in my mind I thought, Well, if he couldnt hear the frequency of my voice before, maybe he could hear it through music, you know? When Roe is overturned, some healthcare workers may feel afraid to help people. Amanda Shires, performing during the Americana Awards at Ryman Auditorium on Sept. 22, 2021 in Nashville. Yeah without you asking. Its an often-times divisive topic, and I dont want to bring any hurt to my family by doing something like putting out a song about this topic, but I lost all that fear when I got angry. Thats the trick.. I know I can take it like Amanda. Maintaining that vigilance and devoting necessary energy and attention to confronting and correcting not only sexual wrongdoing but warped thinking can be all-consuming. Is a chrysalis a butterfly? And healer seemed fitting for me not only because it happened that way, but my moms a nurse. It took Dave Cobb and it took Brandi and then it took Natalie [Hemby] and Maren Morris. SHIRES: I dont know that well, I dont know that I was going to leave or that Jason was going to leave. And so I felt in my mind, I felt those things. I got to a certain age and realized I couldnt be Indiana Jones.. Here Are The Republicans Who Want Him Kicked Out, Rupert Murdoch Must Tell Fox News Hosts To Stop Spreading Election Lies, Congressional Democrats Demand, Trump Attacks Rupert Murdoch And Fox NewsAgainClaiming Destruction Of America Amid Defamation Lawsuit, These U.S.-Listed Stocks SurgeAlibaba, Baidu And MoreAfter Chinas Economic Rebound, Top NFL Prospect Jalen Carter Charged For Alleged Role In Fatal Street Race, Bite-Sized TikTok Poetry Blows UpAlong With Growing Claims Of Plagiarism, As Delta Variant Spreads, Artists and Venues Scramble to Keep Concerts Safe, Live Nation Allows Artists to Require Vaccination or Proof of Negative Test Result for U.S. Concerts. Jason Isbell and his wife, Amanda Shires, were walking around last weekend in Newport, Rhode Island, where they played the Newport Folk Festival. I am Terry Gross. Wade was leaked last month, Amanda Shires shared some personal news on social media. Jason Isbell and Amanda Shires perform at Ryman Auditorium in Nashville. So to give listeners a sense of Bob Wills & The Texas Playboys, listeners who dont know who they are, this is a classic 1940 recording of New San Antonio Rose., (SOUNDBITE OF SONG, NEW SAN ANTONIO ROSE), BOB WILLS AND HIS TEXAS PLAYBOYS: (Singing) Deep within my heart lies a melody, a song of old San Antone (ph) San Antone where in dreams I live with a memory beneath the stars, all alone. Then I told my friend Dave Cobb about my idea and he really liked it, and he said, Im going to have you meet Brandi Carlile. You had an abortion. Lets get back to the interview I recorded last week with singer, songwriter and fiddle player Amanda Shires. And because I was in the time of my life where I was having a disconnect in my marriage and not feeling great in with music but I discovered that it takes a lot to be vulnerable, and it takes a lot to talk to folks and to understand each other. Since publishing my op-ed, Ive heard from some folks who are in their eighties. GROSS: Thats the title song from the new album. And if you want another kind of love, Ill wear a mask for you. Shires character wrestles with the decision and the right thing to do in her situation, while Isbells character offers his support for whatever decision she makes. Lets start with a track from the new album. And she would dance a little bit to the Beatles and stuff and started seeing the possibility that she might go into music one day. Amanda Shires. And even on the charts, theres one spot usually I think in 2016, there was 13% representation of women to men on country radio, and now it still sits pleasantly at 16% on a good week. SHIRES: Thats well, see, Im accepting that it sounds like its supposed to now. And I know that Jasons platform is bigger than mine. And I wrote Fault Lines and then I texted it to him, just like youd imagine. I remember thinking, Wow, theres a lot of potential for me to really mess this up.'. Not standing up for folks is not helping and its not right. But whatever. Roberta Shorrock directs the show. Why was that the verse that you wrote or sang for yourself? I hope that if Roe v. Wade is overturned, it causes such a fucking uproar that we end up with more rights than we had before. So Amanda, you took fiddle lessons from Frankie McWhorter, who played with Bob Wills & The Texas Playboys from 60 to 62 62 was the year that Bob Wills had a heart attack and retired for a long time from music. GROSS: What would the right voice for you like, whats wrong what doesnt match? 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In a June 2022 follow-up, the artist detailed for Rolling Stone her experience of ending a life-threatening ectopic pregnancy in August 2021. I heard witchcraft in the whispers and I knew my time had come. My daughter was about a year old, and I was getting into my touring van because I hadnt worked my way into a bus yet. I hope you get well soon. Isbell responded, Thank you Aimee. If youre just joining us, my guest is Amanda Shires, and her latest album is called Take It Like A Man. This is FRESH AIR. There were probably 2,500 people, and Im just standing there with a guitar, elevated and facing everyone. SHIRES: Thats all you have to say? They all feel good, he says of making records, and they all feel really bad when youre working, simultaneously.. In the decade-plus that Shires has been making solo albums in addition to working as a side person with Billy Joe Shaver, Justin Townes Earle and, eventually, her husband and fellow singer-songwriter Jason Isbell she's expressed self-consciousness about the shivers and tremors in her singing voice, tried to smooth them out of her delivery and ultimately embraced its untameness. Do you have you do a great version of Im Your Man, his song, Im Your Man, on YouTube. I could just trust based on how Leonard Cohen did all that work for us. In my case, I blame the education system, but I didnt even know what an ectopic pregnancy was. Amanda Shires is in Serious Trouble in Hawk for the Dove Fallon Performance I mean, many songwriters would say, oh, theyre not about me. Shires plays fiddle in the band. The 100 Best Albums of 2022. Its not competition, Isbell makes clear with a chuckle. While the idea was mine, it wasnt only me that made this Highwomen be a thing. But they took me seriously, but they also knew the seriousness and the impact of the help that they were giving me. All Rights reserved. SHIRES: Sure. The Mandalorian Season Three Gets Off to a Disappointing Start And all I could think to say/Was everythings going to be OK/Its gonna be all right/Im on your side, he sings. Someone saw me sleeping naked in the noon sun. Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble. That last talk left me a makeup rainbow of tears, turned everything blurry. Yet, Isbell noted, the problem is that many of the venue owners are getting so much pushback from some of the governors of certain states who want to kowtow to their political base.. But through the process of making the record and, you know, all the things that go with that, the hours and the tedium, it got easier for us to have conversations, not because we were doing the work of addressing the problems but because we were found common ground on something again, which has always been music and words. But I did move a couple of times out of the house, not because it was a leaving thing, but because I didnt want to do anything that would harm, you know, make it worse. So hold on to your thoughts. The Idol: How HBOs Next Euphoria Became Twisted Torture Porn And Bob Wills was, like, the father of Western Swing, which combined country music and jazz. The bastards hung me at the Salem gallows hill. No more? Wills was the father of western swing. "Isn't it just like a daughter to make a fool of you? Ive been around so many people for so long who were. Amanda Shires and Jason Isbell depict a couple having an honest, difficult conversation about abortion in the new song The Problem. The tracks release coincides with International Safe Abortion Day and proceeds from its sales will go to the Yellowhammer Fund, a reproductive justice organization based in Alabama. McWhorter, who had played fiddle in Bob Wills band, became her teacher, and when Shires was just 15, he asked her to join The Texas Playboys. Amy Salit and Susan Nyakundi produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Shires, who was touring with the Texas Playboys when she was still a teenager, has a sense of responsibility thats been good for him, he says. GROSS: Good. GROSS: So that was the Highwomen, which is a song performed by the supergroup The Highwomen, which was co-founded by my guest, Amanda Shires, and Brandi Carlile. Likewise, the changes underway to the Supreme Court after the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg could also mean that abortion rights will come under fire nationally. Im going to change the subject here. This is FRESH AIR. Can you play something that you think kind of epitomizes the style that you learned and fell in love with? In a new interview, Shires who returns with her latest album Take It Like a Man in July goes deeper into her own experiences and calls on artists, especially those in Nashville, to start using the platforms theyve been given. And I dont know how I feel about that. Do you need the reasons why? It could be something you played. And I kept imagining, like, how I had nothing left to give and nothing I could do or say to make anything feel right, like, within me somehow. The timing of The Problem and the fact that its benefiting the Yellowhammer Fund are both important, as draconian, punitive abortion laws have been enacted in Alabama and neighboring states in the last year. "Maybe it was circumstance, but I saw my chance and I took it," she boasts, her tone fuzzed-out by distortion. I guess for awhile youve been looking for the exit. Thats what I want. The subject isnt talked about enough, Shires says. And I also want to thank Zack Sedgefield for playing guitar and also Diana Walsh, who engineered your end of the music and the conversation from your home studio in well, outside of Nashville. On August 9, 2021 And hed play songs, and Id learn them. So lets hear a song about when things werent so all right. And I know that he feels the same way I do. I could tell my milk cow I could tell by the way she lows. And I said, I dont know. Shires would go on to make a name for herself, both as a solo artist and as the founder of the country supergroup The Highwomen, which includes Brandi Carlile, Maren Morris and Natalie Hemby. Isbells grandfather and uncle were both musicians, says Tompkins on the phone from Nashville. How did you come up with the image of my hands are two empty cups? GROSS: You know, youve said that a lot of the songs on this album come from a troubled period of your marriage to songwriter and singer Jason Isbell, who you perform with and who plays on this album. SHIRES: Yeah. I know I can take it like a man. I think a lot of women are born healers and nurturers. Why did you want to form this group? But if you dont, youre going to be wondering, What didnt I do? To keep the newness from wearing off, for every start theres gonna be a stop. And I know that he likes to help. And this is can I ask you to perform Fault Lines, to do an excerpt of it? SHIRES: I really do feel like he did a lot of work for me that I dont have to do. It is not trapped in your throat. In 2020, she penned an op-ed for Rolling Stone about why abortion rights matter. If writing came easier sober, playing live was terrifying at first, he says. And youve called on country music stars to speak out, too. But I think she probably knew. You can keep the car and the house. And it was a picture of hands holding on to nothing. And her latest album is called Take It Like A Man. Well be right back after a short break. I want Garth Brooks out there telling people that womens health is a priority. And why did you want to work it into a song? And we would be quiet so that she wouldnt get in trouble because it was a lot then to be a single mom and deal with the difference in pay for men versus women. This fight is about more than just abortion. Amanda Shires has become a coveted presence at the intersection of nervy artistry and activism, folk and country acclaim, rock attitude and Nashville influence. I know I can take it like a man. Jason Isbell performs in Gulf Shores, Alabama. And Frankie and Lanny, my teachers we were at Lannys house the first time Tommy came over, and then, I met him. I dont understand why its such a big issue, as big of an issue as it is. I said, itd be cool if I was The Highwomen or maybe had a band The Highwomen. The election is November 8. GROSS: Well, I want to take a short break here. Thats the percentage of people fully vaccinated against Covid-19 who have not had a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization or death, according to the CDC. She sings of the excruciating awareness of both mirroring and superseding her own mother. If you purchase a product or register for an account through one of the links on our site, we may receive compensation. Do you think you would have been able to have the surgery if abortion had already been banned in Texas? And so I got to do that basically because I was willing to work in a group and play a part and do just that thing and show up on time. People will have to prove that they have been raped. It's not often in country musicor pop music for that matterin which an artist addresses a very personal and sensitive subject like abortion through a song. WebAmanda Shires - The Problem (feat. So lets do that. Bridget Bentz, Molly Seavy-Nesper and Kitty Eisele adapted it for the web. And she was doing the bail bonding on the night. But I thought, what am I going to do about that, in the event that she does go into country music? Subscribe: http://bit.ly/1lq9aEQTour the Ryman: http://bit.ly/tourtherymanVisit the Ryman Calendar: http://bit.ly/rymanconcertsAbout the Ryman Auditorium:Established in 1982 as the Union Gospel Tabernacle and renamed for the visionary who constructed it, Captain Tom G. Ryman, the Ryman Auditorium is a National Historic Landmark and cultural epicenter of Nashville, TN. Moon, in all your splendor. GROSS: So we have to take another short break here, so let me reintroduce you. You can say I lost my grip. Shires new album, Take It Like A Man, includes several songs she wrote that came out of a difficult period in her marriage to Jason Isbell. Tax ID: 26-2810489, Copyright 2022 Fresh Air. Is there a song that youd like to do? And then my mom would drive me down there. If youre just joining us, my guest is songwriter, singer and musician Amanda Shires, and her latest album is called Take It Like A Man. Well be right back. AMANDA SHIRES: (Singing) Youre leaving now through the hole of an argument. ", In the bruising roots rocker "Eve's Daughter," propelled by a tense groove and serrated, scraggy guitar riffs, Shires plays the part of a woman so desperate to expand her horizons and satisfy her hunger that she's unafraid to take risks in the name of escape. Its as opposed to being in the uterus, where it belongs. SHIRES: We were writing that, and Brandi was like, Im going to take the first one. (Playing guitar, singing) Like a common loon, I started hearing birds, birdsong everywhere. Demographer Diana Greene Foster conducted a 10-year study tracking both people who had abortions and people who were denied abortions. Jason Isbell will put his tour on hold after announcing he tested positive with for COVID-19. SHIRES: I mean, I think theyre pretty good. 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